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Kali Ma · Jul 21, 2005, 09:43 PM // 21:43

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Again, name a weapon. I dare you.

Here are a few I've actively looked for that come to mind...

- A Deadly Cesta or Truncheon with either a health or energy bonus (seen one that had both)

- A Grim Cesta with +27 energy and a health bonus (know someone who has one)

- Any max dmg staff with a Healing Prayers requirement (never seen one)

- Any axe with a 3:1 Vampriric Haft

- Any weapon with a +25 or higher health bonus

- Any weapon other than an Ascalon Bow with +15% > 50%

None of these are available from collectors, and almost impossible to find being sold for only 2k... more like 20k or higher.

Kishin · Jul 21, 2005, 09:54 PM // 21:54

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Originally Posted by Ba Ne

I want a 15% over 50% sword. Is there a collector for that? Where and what do they need?

(serious questions btw, not trying to be a smartass)

EDIT: I just looked over the Collector Location thread again and the only collector weapon with the 15% over 50% mod is the Ascalon Bow. If that's true can I borrow 150-250k to buy the sword I want?

(definately being a smartass, unless you have 250k to give me)

There's a Desert Collector with a 15% Health > 50% Sword. If not, there's one in the South Shiverpeaks. But he most assuredly exists.

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Originally Posted by Kali Ma

Here are a few I've actively looked for that come to mind...

- A Deadly Cesta or Truncheon with either a health or energy bonus (I've seen them being sold in the trade channel).

- A Grim Cesta with +27 energy and a health bonus (and yes, I've seen this and know someone who has one).

- Any max dmg staff with a Healing Prayers requirement (don't know if they exist or not).

- Any axe with a 3:1 Vampriric Haft

- Any staff with a +5 Defensive Wrapping

- Any weapon with a +25 or higher health bonus

The first two items are definitely Collector items.

Also, the Grim Cesta with +27 energy and a health bonus is most assuredly a Collector's Item, found in the Crystal Desert, as I have a Healing Ankh equivalent for my Monk. One exists for every profession. The actual stats are Energy +15, Energy +12, (They are written separately), -1 energy regen.

The last four don't even count, because they are the way they are because of Weapon Mods, not the weapons themselves. You could simply but the mods, often for noticably less than the weapons themselves.

Ba Ne · Jul 21, 2005, 10:16 PM // 22:16

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Originally Posted by Kishin

There's a Desert Collector with a 15% Health > 50% Sword. If not, there's one in the South Shiverpeaks. But he most assuredly exists.

Not according to the 16 page Collector Locations thread. I'm not saying that's the definitive info source, and maybe I missed it (again), but there's A LOT of info in there including the Crystal Desert and Southern Shiverpeaks (with maps even!). There are several 15% enchanted/stance swords...

This is off topic though. If you happen to find a 15% over 50% collector sword I would appreciate that information as I've never seen it.

Thanas · Jul 21, 2005, 10:17 PM // 22:17

Errrm I may be wrong, but this seems to have absolutely nothing to do with the thread. Please discontinue this coversation and start up a new thread. (MOD?)

hidden_agenda · Jul 22, 2005, 01:04 AM // 01:04

I have done quite a bit of research on the collectors. I also own the prima guidebook. So base on my own experience, I can say the following:

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Originally Posted by Kishin

There's a Desert Collector with a 15% Health > 50% Sword. If not, there's one in the South Shiverpeaks. But he most assuredly exists.

No --> one desert collectors gives a 15% in stance, the other gives the 15% in hex (if i rememb correctly) sword. The S. Shiverpeak collectors gives the same as the desert. As far as I know, there are no collectors who give 15% for health > 50% (or i would've gotten it).

If you know this for sure, please post a screenshot, so that the rest of us can find them.

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Also, the Grim Cesta with +27 energy and a health bonus is most assuredly a Collector's Item, found in the Crystal Desert, as I have a Healing Ankh equivalent for my Monk.

It may be that things have changed since you played, but the healing ankh in the desert is now +15 energy, 20/20. (My monk got both the div fav focus and the healing ankh from the desert, and they're both +15 20/20).

Btw, IMHO, +15 is not worth en regen-1... but that's just me...

FYI --> I am not a big fan of having to spend enormous amount of gold to get the kewl weapons. So I have been looking into the collector route for a while.

Meanwhile --> back to the topic at hand:

/sign

if you don't agree, please find some other thread to argues in? this thread was entitled a "petition to do xyz". If, in life, people come around to you with a petition, you can refuse to sign it. But...

Would you not consider it rude to grab their petition and start writing down the reasons others shouldn't sign it on their petition? Please have some respect for your fellow gamers.

Dargull · Jul 22, 2005, 02:09 AM // 02:09

/signed

thestealthcow101 · Jul 22, 2005, 02:31 AM // 02:31

Ok, I'll admit, my first post was just some excuse, because I thought later in the game there would be much more things that I'd need a LOT of money for (even though my sword and shield have awesome mods, and max), but now...

Farming should stop being nerfed. I don't know if Draknor's Forge to camp rankor, and a little beyond camp is a good farming spot or not, but I just went through it...and the only dropped items worth mentioning are a max damage shield, with no mods at all, a max damage falchion sword, with no mods...and thats about it. Unless you consider 1, maaybe 2 bags of gold-70 gold in the bags.

Even if the spot isn't a good place to farm, there should definently be more than 3 drops that you can actually sell and make money with.

And 5 drops total. 3 which aren't worth mentioning.

I'm not saying have a gold or purple max damage sword on every other drop. Just more drops of gold. During the distance I travelled and the number of enemies I killed, I really expected a lot more gold. I don't go out to farm, really, I'm just trying to get more exp to get other things. I don't exit the area hoping to find 7 gold max damage icy stormbows of fortitude. I just expect more than 150 gold in total, and 5 items dropped.

brian blueflame · Jul 22, 2005, 04:23 AM // 04:23

/signed
because im trying to save up for my fissure set and its taking longer and onger to make the money to BUY the ECTO that SUPER rarely drops in UW.

StrongBow · Jul 22, 2005, 04:39 AM // 04:39

/signed

Enough Said!

panfist · Jul 22, 2005, 04:40 AM // 04:40

OK, hidden agenda, you have a point, so this is my last post in this thread.

I apologize to all of you for coming off as rude, and I apologize for kinda hijacking the thread. I'm just going to tie up a few loose ends, and if anyone needs help farming or finding collector items or whatever, PM me.

In terms of weapons with upgrades like vampiric or of fortitude or whatever, true, you can't get those mods on collector items, but you can apply them to collector items.

In terms of getting the exact weapon you want, like a max sword with dmg +15% while health is over 50, vampiric 3/1 and +30 health, well, you can't expect to get exactly what you want right away! This game has been out for a few months and you're whining that you don't already have the best weapon you can conceive of in the game? Don't you want your weapon to be a status symbol/set you apart from the next guy when you finally get it? Isn't that the point of farming? In the meantime, you can get a max sword that's dmg +15% while in stance or while enchanted, or whatever, with 2/1 vampiric and +27 health. That's easily attainable via getting a collector weapon, and the amount of gold for those weapon mods isn't too exorbitant. I'd say easily attainable by a casual player (who's already level 20) in less than a dozen sessions of playing...not even farming.

This game is still very young. If they -don't- nerf farming, then everyone is going to have the exact same 100% perfect everything stat weapon before you can blink. If fissure armor is supposed to be the end-all of items in guild wars, it's ridiculous that many people already have multiple sets and this game is a few months old. Have you ever played another MMORPG? You wouldn't be complaining about farming then. Your character wouldn't even be ready to start farming for end-game items yet!

A few side notes for people since the proverbial can of worms has already been opened. I would love to continue debating, just PM me.
-The max staff wrapping of defense is +4.
-You can still get +27 energy +30 health off-hands from collectors.
-The collector list on these forums is comprehensive, but not complete.
-This is open for debate, but +30 health isn't as useful as +some armor, and the +armor is cheaper. Your max health only matters at the start of the battle, after it starts and your health is flowing up and down, +armor will extend your survivability a lot more.
-If you're farming with henchies, they do absorb drops. If something would drop and randomly be assigned to a henchie, you don't even see it. If you don't believe me, go hunt with some henchies for 10 minutes, then do the same with players. Count the drops (not gold) in both cases, and you will notice a striking proportion.

Bye, guys.

EDIT: Oh, max damage staff with healing prayers requirement? Why would you even need one? If you have healing prayers at 9+, you certianly have divine favor at 9+ too and there are plenty of decent divine favor stats. In any case, staves with healing prayers requirements are unavailable because they don't exist, not because they're rare and farming for them is hard. When I challenged people to post weapons, it was to post weapons that in their perception were unattainable through casual farming...not imaginary.

Ultimate_Gaara · Jul 22, 2005, 06:31 AM // 06:31

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Originally Posted by brian blueflame

/signed
because im trying to save up for my fissure set and its taking longer and onger to make the money to BUY the ECTO that SUPER rarely drops in UW.

thats kinda the point of fissure armor, it takes forever to get.. thats what makes it fissure armor

Kali Ma · Jul 22, 2005, 07:20 AM // 07:20

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The first two items are definitely Collector items.

I have personally visited the collectors for every Deadly Cesta and Truncheon in the Crystal Desert and South Shiverpeaks I could find based on this site's maps and other resource sites, and all of them are +20% recharge or casting speed, with no health or energy bonus. The one's I've actually seen that did have those bonuses were rare items, ie. gold, not collector's items.

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Also, the Grim Cesta with +27 energy and a health bonus is most assuredly a Collector's Item, found in the Crystal Desert, as I have a Healing Ankh equivalent for my Monk. One exists for every profession. The actual stats are Energy +15, Energy +12, (They are written separately), -1 energy regen.

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-You can still get +27 energy +30 health off-hands from collectors.

Anyone know where? Because I've yet to find a +15/-1/+30 offhand item from a collector, and I've been looking all over the place. I have a friend who bought one, a Grim Cesta, that showed it to me, and it looked lilke it could have been a collector item since it wasn't purple of gold... but it could have been a drop or a beta item. Anyway, I'm not having any luck finding it, and if someone actually knows for a fact that there is a collector who has them, then by all means share the location with the rest of us. Otherwise, it's just an assumption that they exist, with no proof.

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-The max staff wrapping of defense is +4.

I actually have a +5 Wrapping Of Defense equipped on a Bone Staff that I salvaged from a drop. /shrugs

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well, you can't expect to get exactly what you want right away! This game has been out for a few months and you're whining that you don't already have the best weapon you can conceive of in the game?

I've already got over 500 total hours invested into this game across multiple characters, thanks.

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Don't you want your weapon to be a status symbol/set you apart from the next guy when you finally get it? Isn't that the point of farming?

No... I could care less about that. Who else is ever gonna see it but me? All the cestas/idols look the same, regardless of the stats on them. I want to find these things to shore up weaknesses in my builds, that's why.

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Oh, max damage staff with healing prayers requirement? Why would you even need one? If you have healing prayers at 9+, you certianly have divine favor at 9+ too and there are plenty of decent divine favor stats.

My N/Mo has 10 Healing Prayers and obviously zero Divine Favor since it's not an option. Sometimes it's good to have another staff around that doesn't do cold or dark damage, and holy damage is helpful against undead. Plus I like to have different mods on staves for different uses, and... why the hell am I explaining my playing style to you? It's none of your affair why I want it.

Lot of presumptions and judgements around here with very little understanding or facts. I'm in my mid 30s, played the game through normally once with very little low level farming, and could care less about impressing other players with fancy items - or with whether I'm playing the wrong game, or if I'm not playing the way others think I should. I'm in it for the fun and enjoyment. And I like to RP in Guild Wars too... <omigod, run away!!! GW isn't designed for RP!!! You're playing the game wrong!!!>...

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Please discontinue this coversation and start up a new thread.

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I would love to continue debating, just PM me.

Thanks, but I'll decline to both of your requests. You see, I didn't bring up the inflammatory "dare" in the first place, and this thread is littered with off topic posts condemning farming, one's playing style, that they bought the wrong game, whatever... and I don't agree with taking discussions which were begun in public and then hiding them behind closed doors when they get messy... and I also don't like to be told what to do, how to play or what to say. Cause you know, maybe I responded to "the dare" just because I wanted to sign the petition again, because I feel it's important... and maybe, just like with farming for loot in a game, BECAUSE I CAN.

/Signed yet again by default

Hanok Odbrook · Jul 22, 2005, 11:22 AM // 11:22

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Originally Posted by Kali Ma

My N/Mo has 10 Healing Prayers and obviously zero Divine Favor since it's not an option. Sometimes it's good to have another staff around that doesn't do cold or dark damage, and holy damage is helpful against undead. Plus I like to have different mods on staves for different uses, and... why the hell am I explaining my playing style to you? It's none of your affair why I want it.

Lot of presumptions and judgements around here with very little understanding or facts. I'm in my mid 30s, played the game through normally once with very little low level farming, and could care less about impressing other players with fancy items - or with whether I'm playing the wrong game, or if I'm not playing the way others think I should. I'm in it for the fun and enjoyment. And I like to RP in Guild Wars too... <omigod, run away!!! GW isn't designed for RP!!! You're playing the game wrong!!!>...

Well said!! To reiterate, I am not a farmer, nor do I really have the leisure to be. Second, Anet developed this game with the casual player in mind. Third, Anet nerfs farming because in their view, it goes against #2, and the idea that this is a skills/team based game, not an item game.

That being said, I don't give a rat's a-- that I don't need super uber Fissure armor or weapons to be competitive in this game. The fact of the matter is that items such as that are available in the game, and as a casual player, I would like to have them. *I* will be the judge of whether I really need them for my character or not. And since this game is designed with the casual gamers in mind, I shouldn't have to farm or put in 300 hours to obtain items in this game.

For people to say that you need to put in x and x amount of hours and you will then have the funds or drops to get the uber armor is asinine. That goes against the casual player part of this game. I should be able to get every single piece of armor, weapon, and what-have-you item in this game simply by completing every quest and mission developed by Anet and playing this game to its linear conclusion - whether that takes 1 day or 100 days of playing.

Hanok Odbrook
Real Millennium Group Guild
http://www.realmillenniumgroup.com/guild.html
Truth * Knowledge * Peace

Dan Mega · Jul 22, 2005, 02:57 PM // 14:57

I agree. I am looking for a better bow than what I currently have, but I don't have 150k to drop for it. Plus, it never drops in UW (I was in UW this past weekend and received a whole 3 drops of Demon stuff in 4 runs).

Ba Ne · Jul 22, 2005, 04:00 PM // 16:00

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